For Aitrus re: TLJ etc:
The problem is we’re not talking about all movies, are we? We’re talking about TLJ. If we were discussing, say, Sunshine, or The Empire Strikes Back, or The Godfather, or Paul Blart: Mall Cop, it’s unlikely this subject would even have come up, isn’t it? Certainly you can’t say people who like Another 48 Hours, say, are being treated as “pure abstractions of ideology”. Because that’s not A Thing. Whereas with TLJ, there’s a rather large difference because:
There was literally an organised campaign to shit on TLJ, across 4Chan, a bunch of subreddits, various right-wing and far-right Discords, and so on.
Said campaign promoted numerous talking points about why the movie was bad, which are now the dominant talking points about why the movie is bad.
As for “It’s not a sin!”, well, sure, but what’s your opinion of accidentally or intentionally parroting talking points formulated by right-wing trolls in general? I guess it’s never a sin in your opinion? Or only if it does harm to individuals?
When you have films and TV shows where organised campaigns have run against them or even disorganised but clearly ideologically-based actions have been taken, they should be noted, not ignored, I’d suggest. Hence the discussion of various instances where this has happened. It’s not the same where that hasn’t take place, but in all the cases we were discussing, it had.
In all those cases the vast majority of people pushing the agenda fit a pretty narrow description, and that should be acknowledged because of the nature of the campaign.
That’s not an analogy anyone has ever used before (quite the contrary), so I’m not sure what aspect of cop-i-tude we’re discussing here. Obviously it’s intended as a mortal insult but it’s hard to say whether you think I’m the riot police beating you with a stick, a detective cross-questioning you on a murder, or some sort of fancy fictional cop (and/or whether you mean a US cop or something else).
And yeah that’s a bad assumption re: doing my part. Mostly I’m doing the same as I have since the early 1990s on the internet - finding out why the hell people think the things they do. Sometimes you do semi-accidentally educate people or get them to think, on the way.
Whilst it’s kind of a side issue, I get that you’re not someone who never thinks about how he thinks and is a giant ball of reaction, but let’s be real - it’s extremely common to find people - especially privileged people - and thus especially men, and likely to be white (or from a non-white country with patriarchal system where their ethnicity is at or near the top) - who do precisely that. They can reach the highest tiers of our society. If you want to claim otherwise I present to you reddit and Twitter as irrefutable proof of such. Also several New York Times columnists (for example the self-proclaimed “centrist” who literally uncritically parrots Dominionist theology-produced talking points that he even got directly from a Dominionist!) and the most recent ex-president of the USA. The worst though are the shallow-meta-thinkers, honestly - people who think about why they think stuff but immediately shy away and deny if the results might not make them look great (again not talking about you, or, let’s be real, me, much as they might be fun). Weirdly on reddit I sometimes get people who actually thank me for making them think about stuff - though it’s rarely my main intention - I’d say it happens about once a week even. Obviously there’s a lot more “fuck you, buddy!”
Not super-impressed with the new Eternals trailer I have to say:
It feels like, ironically, the MCU might have come full-circle on supers movies. Prior to the MCU a lot of supers movies were pretty distant from the comics - often intentionally so (the '90s Batman movies for example stood in stark opposition to '80s and '90s Batman comics). It would always be the director’s vision first, and if that meant “drastically re-envisioning” stuff, or ignoring how things looked in the comics, that was just fine. You also saw that with Michael Bay’s take on Transformers (which was genuinely surprising - the easy and obvious route which would likely have been just as successful would have been to not re-envision them). Another example would be Ang Lee’s Hulk. But basically it was the norm.
The MCU took a very different approach. Basically everything in the MCU looks pretty close to the comics, just sort of “upgraded” or modified as limitedly necessary for the movies. DC’s movies did not take this approach by and large, particularly Snyder’s did not - but one definitely did, Aquaman, which is basically a love-letter to Aquaman comics to the point of literally re-creating panels and so on, even having Black Manta’s uncool but incredibly distinctive armour in full force (something Snyder would never have tolerated, c.f. his alterations to various things). This is pretty consistent across all the movies. There’s also a straightforwardness to the designs in the MCU or Aquaman that means they’d be very easy to draw in comics or the like, going the other way. This wasn’t always good - early on for example Kevin Feige forced uniform (and fugly) colour-grading on all MCU movies.
It seems like that ends here, for better or worse.
The natural lighting is kind of nice, but as soon as we see the enemies of the Eternals, we see things which aren’t like anything from Marvel, and indeed would be incredibly difficult to draw effectively, and don’t fit with the general visual style of the MCU so far. Then we see the powers of the Eternals, and whilst they’re stylish and expensive-looking (if boring - energy bolts and flying greeeeaaaat), they also seem pretty un-comic-book-ish in the sense that they’d be hard to portray like that (sparkling gold is hella-hard to do in an easily printable way, esp. when trying to get something people won’t assume is gold ot read that way). And the general visual style seems very different.
I guess I’m surprised Disney/Marvel allowed this, and hey, it may turn out great, but this trailer really just feels pretty weak to me, despite a strong cast, with a very much more Snyder-ish vibe than I expected (in part because of the visual design, and the way some of the action is shot), and some attempts at humour that don’t really land for me.
I’m also really not sure that the whole super-cosmic deal is going to work out, especially as they’re seemingly going to make everything more complicated by even changing Thanos’ comics backstory (he’s one of the people the Eternals oppose, the Deviants, or rather is mistaken for one to the point where he de facto is one, long story, but here it appears he isn’t?).
Maybe it’ll just be so much fun it doesn’t matter? Definitely waiting on reviews and not expecting stellar ones though.