Yeah I actually got that.
But ironically, for a man saying “you didn’t read”, you missed my entire point, which is that no amount of growing up from anyone but the Tories is relevant any more.
Labour are irrelevant. They can’t influence this. They could have twice the popularity of the Tories and by guaranteed to win the next election. They’d still be 100% irrelevant here. That’s what I’m saying.
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Finally, you’ve got Barnier and Junker and Verhostadt acting like three short planks. All whilst at this point the EU is merrily rubber stamping the most dangerous piece of legislation as regards the internet in recent memory (go go ISP censor filters). [/quote]
It seems like there are two separate and unrelated issues here:
- You don’t like how Barnier/Junker/Verhostadt are performing. I don’t either. But they’re not being lunatics. Completely mature? No. But for the most part they’re behaving in at least a predictable, expected, and if not reasonable then at least not uncivilized or weird way. We haven’t seen anything particularly insane out of them, just too many childish outbursts.
But that’s irrelevant, because in negotiation terms, I’ve see zero evidence that the negotiators beneath them are behaving particularly immaturely. Have you seen evidence of the negotiators beneath them rejecting entirely reasonable positions?
If Barnier and Junker shut their fat mouths, and stopped public wobblies, would that help the negotiations? Fuck no. So them growing up is irrelevant.
- The EU is enacting yet another dodgy law to do with the internet and privacy. How is that relevant to this? It doesn’t have anything to do with anything, it’s just a random thing to say.
Further, if you look at what Tory politicians are suggesting or even outright demanding we do with the internet, it’s much, much, much worse than anything that’s yet come out of the EU (or this legislation if I am understanding correctly). Theresa May herself is particularly lunatic, and half her cabinet have demanded encryption basically be destroyed, they have asked for extreme and bizarre forms of censorship of the internet, which are certainly approaching what China does. Barely a week passes where a cabinet member doesn’t come out with some sort of bizarre suggestion about the internet. They haven’t got much of that through yet, but given them time. So yeah I don’t love that, but if you think it’s relevant because we need to “escape” the EU to “prevent” this sort of thing, the I can only say “WTF dude?!” because I guarantee, I cast-iron guarantee than if we actually do leave the EU, we end up with FAR worse internet censorship than the EU in general, with the excuse “PAEDOS AND TERRORISTS!!!” because that’s the only excuse the government knows. I suppose they might somehow work moped muggers or whatever the latest tabloid bugbear is into it somehow.
Um, did I say they were? Re-reading my post I see nothing of the sort. I said that everyone but the Tories is essentially irrelevant, so it doesn’t matter if they’re mature or not. So can you explain why you think I’m saying that?
I mean, let me agree on one level - yeah it would be great if a lot of people involved in this whole mess grew up. The world would be a better place. I mean, looking at the current Labour situation, practically everyone involved needs a good spanking. Corbyn, like, dude, turn it down a notch. Margaret Hodge is a lunatic. Frank Field can fuck himself with a spade. Chuka needs to learn when to shut the fuck up. Momentum probably needs to like, not try to de-select popular candidates, though I dunno, there are a handful of Labour MPs in safe seats who shouldn’t be in Labour, but still as a general principle…
If all that got sorted would it be great? Yes!
But would it fix the present situation? Hahahahaha no! It would have no effect!