Total Warhammer 2

[MantisTobogganM.D.4]

Well, just Vlads army, but then you reinforce with Isabella and now everyone has +15 melee def/attack

That’s a pretty cool combo. I’ll have to try them out.

[sonson]

Vlad is stupid OP. It’s like they were trying to demonstrate how much of a superficial Jock Manfred is in comparison by making Vlad good at everything that counts. One man army in combat. Advanced campaign range. Free XP per turn for everyone in his army. Free Vanguard deployment for everyone in his army. Basically immortal when you get his ring. This is before you add Isabella and his cheap cheap vampire thralls to the equation.

Looking through the ME stuff it’s interesting to see how the balance of power has changed re starting positions. Empire and Vampires are now all easy, as are the non DLC dwarves. Tyrion is now normal, and Alberic is Hard, suggesting a lot of activity around the peninsular of the Old World I guess and protection in the Hinterlands which were the main source of flux in the first game . Queek is the only very hard option as far as I can see.

[Serenegoose]

I think they had to make vlad OP in the same way that if Nagash ever shows up he’ll also be OP as hell.

Somehow Archaon and Grimgor missed this, but I’m guessing it’s because they’re part of the base game (even if you don’t have the DLC, archaon’s still showing up) whereas someone added later (whether as DLC or FLC) has an expectation of bringing something fancy to the table.

[RogerMellie]

Thanks for the suggestion of camera options - that’s helped a bit and I found the strategic option quite a handy view.

At about turn 75 now and am at about 75 second time too. Feeling a bit more sanguine about it but I hope they can optimise it a bit more. Shogun 2 had some issues with turn times and they improved it loads so fingers crossed (super huge map here though so who knows).

[Bobtree]

This Faster End Turn Camera mod speeds up the slow transitions. It’s different from the fast/slow/skip camera settings, and quite nice.

[hexagonalbolts]

So the Mortal Empires lategame basically just spams insane numbers of Chaos stacks at you that spawn in your regions (~turn 150 I had 8 as Krog Gar - they seem to spawn in multiple set locations around the map). Why do CA continue to think this is fun? This is the third map where the game ends by doing this. Your hard-earned work and hundreds of turns building up a city is wiped out in one turn with no fore-warning or opportunity to protect it. Furthermore, it would be so much more fun if the other teams increasingly joined up against you or if your main opponent just got a massive income boost so that campaigns with different sides were varied rather than always against Chaos.

Check this image out:

[Serenegoose]

Yeah, seems like they cocked it up a bit. I don’t know if it’s confirmed, but chaos is basically acting like vortex campaign chaos, except that spawning the end times is a ‘ritual’ only you can do (by expanding) and so chaos really likes to go for the player. I can’t really comment on this myself as I haven’t played any mortal empires at all so far, since I want to finish some vortex campaigns first.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1184400029&searchtext= in the meantime, this seems like the best option for fixing the chaos invasion without just removing it.

[Imaginary_Llamas]

I’ve played a bit of Mortal Empires, but as it currently lacking a lot of polish I’m going to stick to the Vortex campaign for now.

I personally find it a little odd that CA haven’t really been doing hotfix updates. Correct me if I’m wrong, but most of the patches for Warhammer 1 were only released alongside new content. I can understand sticking to more occasional, larger updates for the sake of the funky Steam patching that leads to multi gigabyte downloads, but it is rather tedious knowing that proper fixes for a number of issues won’t be released until a new DLC is ready.
Reminds me of when WElves were first released and the super aggressive AI + autoresolve stuff led to them being Tree Hitlers, and were a far more dangerous threat than Chaos. Campaigns felt very silly for a while…

On the DLC note, I’m thinking the next one will either be Tomb Kings or Clan Skryre.

[sonson]

Wouldn’t surprise me if there was a hot fix for this. It’s only been out three days, 2 of them a weekend.

[Imaginary_Llamas]

Oh I wasn’t specifically expecting a day one hotfix for Mortal Empires. It would just be nice if there’s a week one patch rather than, as has been the case before, a month wait for the next content release.

Edit: Saw on Reddit that CA are planning a hotfix, mainly to sort out the Chaos invasion scripting.

[RogerMellie]

Thanks heaps for this - that mod is a lifesaver. The joined up map is huge so veering across the world to see an agent do something and then lurching back is way better with that. Indispensable mod.

For others having issues with the Chaos invasion being too aggressive and ignoring other factions, CA have released a beta hotfix that is getting great feedback on Reddit. Worth a try.

[Tevildo]

When chaos in TWW (or aggressive factions in any other TW games) just focus on the player, and on the player exclusively ; it makes me ragequit like anybody. Yet this frustration doesn’t come from the overly difficult, really. But just from the dissolution of the game’s immersion and the vanishing of this simple illusion : that all those battles takes place in a lively universe where every faction follows an agenda of its own.
Mostly, since RTW and its flaming pigs, it’s this illusion and the stories I build around that keeps me playing though all the repetitive battles, against those armies of clones, animated by the same dumb AI and all its mandatory combat bonuses. It’s quite fragile but this is what made me buy every TW game since RTW. And some time spent on TW forums made me wonder if it was mostly an idiosyncratic way of enjoying those games.

[arathain]

No, I don’t think that’s idiosyncratic at all. I would hazard most of the players enjoy it that way. TW forum goers might be less likely to fall into that category, though. I think of it this way- if the experience of the game is as important or more equal than beating the game, you want to know how to play efficiently, but you don’t want to see behind the curtain too well, since you don’t want to break the illusion for yourself. If it’s more important to you to beat the game at the higher difficulties you need to know as much as possible about how all the systems work. Going to the forums is helpful for the latter type, but potentially detrimental to the former.

[Serenegoose]

In fairness, the chaos invasion solely focusing on the player was a fuckup, rather than an intended design. The hotfix beta has been pushed live at this point and they’re saying so long as you load a save file before chaos shows up, you’ll get a better chaos invasion rather than the one before. Tevildo, you might want to look into a mod called GCCM: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1182188528

I used it in warhammer 1 just before warhammer 2 dropped and it really helps shake up the battles by adding some new maps and scenery.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/844843469649151134/3157082D16FE63090C2853AE57C141E9B55F36CD/

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/844843469649150768/BD259CE3980F6BB0D930EA0403C9B65FB2DE4F04/

[Tevildo]

By Snorri’s whitebeard’s beard, this mod looks amazing ! Thanks !

PS : I actually use very few mods with TWW (camera mods, immersive battle banners, home region movement, proper combat) and will gladly add GCCM.

Arathain : indeed. And I don’t know if it exists with other games but on TW’s forums I often witnessed a tension between players of the immersive type and players of the competitive type…

[Grizzly]

Sigmar, this mod does your work! It actually reminds me a bit of good ol’ Shogun 1 with it’s unique maps for each province.

[sonson]

Highly recommend people look at Mods. I don’t use any of the total conversion ones (although they’re meant to be good) but there’s a ton of quality life improvement stuff and thematic additions which make the game even better if atmosphere is your thing in the banner GCCM does.

If you’re into Warhammer and TW and just look through the highest rated mods in the workshop I guarantee you’ll find half a dozen at least that improve the experience further.

[Imaginary_Llamas]

I use a number of graphical/non-gameplay mods which just make the experience nicer:

• Better Camera Mod - increases max/min zoom level in battles, perfect for both playing and screenshots
• Building Progession Icons II - different icons for different levels for building upgrades
• Dryain’s Reskin Overhaul - there are a number of faction reskins available for more variety, I just happen to use this one
• Faster End Turn Camera - already mentioned in this thread, absolutely necessary IMO
• Immersive Battle Banners - changes the relatively plain banners to more detailed ones
• Less Blood, Less Gore! - personal preference, I wasn’t a fan of quite how blood-soaked units got. The additional file tones down the blood fountains in melee/ranged combat.
• Less effects - personal preference again, reduces the number of effects of auras/buffs/debuffs
• No Light Beams - disables light beams around Lords and Heroes in battles
• Sebidee’s Unit Resize - various units made bigger or smaller for lore/flavour reasons
• Skip Intro Logos - obvious
• Tabletop banners and emblems - changes most faction banners and a few faction names

I used GCCM in Warhammer I, but slightly too many of the settlement battles had tight spaces and weird geometries that messed up unit pathfinding for me. Is that any different now?

[Tevildo]

But the “tabletop banners and emblem” and the “immersive battle banners” are probably non compatible aren’t they ?

By the way, am I the only one to prefer the tabletop banners to the vanilla one ? I wonder actually why CA chose to change them…

[Imaginary_Llamas]

I could have sworn I was able to use both in WH1, but I’m probably just remembering wrong. I quickly checked with both enabled in WH2 and the campaign and battle banners were the Tabletop ones, but the unit icons on the battle banners were the Immersive ones.