The Windows 10 Resistance Thread

[ZakG]

ok i got to this site:

http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/search.aspx?q=3205394

Which i’m pretty sure was the one i used previously, now i see two possible choices for the KB3205394 security only update, one for x64 at 63MB and the other for (i assume) non 64bit Windows 7 at 35.2MB. I have a 64bit system and 64bit Windows 7 so i use the first link it seems. I’ll report back if that worked ok, and thanks for the pointers.

[Heliocentric]

So, Windows 10...

‘Windows 10 Creators Update can block Win32 apps if they’re not from the Store’:

https://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2017/02/windows-10-creators-update-can-block-win32-apps-if-theyre-not-from-the-store/

Welp, they just moved me back to 7,how do I lock out the bad updates, security only?

[DanMan]

Welp, they just moved me back to 7,how do I lock out the bad updates, security only?

You’d have to install custom stuff that’s been unpacked by the community, I think. Windows itself does rollup updates now. You either install all of it, or nothing.

[Heliocentric]

I am going to need to learn about Linux’s BS again, hated it at uni. On the bright side I can get it in front of the kids early. On the dark side frigging incompatibilities forever!

[thedosbox]

Huh, I didn’t realize there were two Windows resistance threads

[Heliocentric]

Huh, I didn’t realize there were two Windows resistance threads

It’s not going to be televised.

[ZakG]

Welp, they just moved me back to 7,how do I lock out the bad updates, security only?

Well be careful. The latest ‘Security Roundup for .NET’ stuff updates has seemingly borked my Win 7 PC. It downloaded stuff fine (fixed that Win 7 bug in the other thread), then stuck at creating a restore point for about 30 mins. I shut Windows Update down and thought, at the worst i would just not have that latest Restore Point to use. I decided to reboot and was told updates would be installed. It’s been on ‘Installing update 1 of 3’ for about 40 mins now…

Even if i have to reinstall my Windows 7 from scratch and not update it, i am NOT using Windows 10 Microsoft, it’s never going to happen so stop trying to think you can change my mind with underhand rubbish, just make the OS i paid you for work as it should. Is that too much to expect these days?

So the point of this is if your Windows 7 PC works fine, don’t start doing the rollup updates, just keep it offline for your games and use Linux for Internet access stuff.

[somini]

I am going to need to learn about Linux’s BS again, hated it at uni. On the bright side I can get it in front of the kids early. On the dark side frigging incompatibilities forever!

It’s not rocket science anymore.
Heck, Arch just rolled out the latest Intel+NVIDIA drivers, so that Optimus should work out of the box on Ubuntu in a couple of years. Courtesy of NVIDIA code, even.

NVIDIA/libglvnd

[alms]

mod note: I’ve shuffled a few posts around.

Remember: Resistance is for those who are still using 7/8/8.1; for Linux specific discussion there’s a Linux thread. Windows 10 is, well, for Windows 10.

I appreciate there may some overlapping and topic wandering, I ought have contributed to it myself; however, I would also like to remind everyone that the effects of a certain type of alt-OS promotion are actually opposite to the intended ones.

I’m sure everyone has dealt with the typical Apple supremacist and their smug remarks, that’s preaching to the choir at best, counter-productive if you ask me: the aim is to get people to *try *Linux, instead of irritating people so they make a point of not doing so, ever.

[thedosbox]

I would prefer that any of my posts be deleted from this thread. I said awhile ago that I’d stay out of here, and other than this reminder, would like it to stay that way.

[ZakG]

Google “month year Security Only Quality Update windows 7”, and find the appropriate downloads in the MS catalog. The rollups started in September, but the alternative Security versions are not cumulative (the January download is much smaller than December). If you got the right ones but they won’t install, I don’t know what the problem is. I did install the .Net and IE specific rollups, but none of the monthlies.

ok i got to this site:

http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/search.aspx?q=3205394

Which i’m pretty sure was the one i used previously, now i see two possible choices for the KB3205394 security only update, one for x64 at 63MB and the other for (i assume) non 64bit Windows 7 at 35.2MB. I have a 64bit system and 64bit Windows 7 so i use the first link it seems. I’ll report back if that worked ok, and thanks for the pointers.

Just a little refresh on this option. It works perfectly, so thanks Bobtree, it seems i needed to put the MSU file on the desktop (rather than in a folder in my ‘Admin’ folder) and run it from there.

This is a great little hidden away option for current Windows 7 users that do not want all the spyware that MS are bundling with the Rollup Security (and other Rollups). The difference in size of these ‘just security’ updates vs the Security Rollups is noticable.

[alms]

Isn’t it simply more time efficient to block communication and call it a day?

[ZakG]

We have extended support until 2020 (iirc), i paid for that so plan to make use of it as i do still need Windows. What i do after 2020…well i’m not 100% sure yet, move to Windows 8.1 and a GUI redesign tweak?

[DanMan]

We have extended support until 2020 (iirc), i paid for that so plan to make use of it as i do still need Windows. What i do after 2020…well i’m not 100% sure yet, move to Windows 8.1 and a GUI redesign tweak?

Seeing how they’re even backporting all the … “good” stuff to Win7, I don’t think there’ll be any reason to choose Win8 over Win10 at that point.

[ZakG]

While i started our researching the stuff that eventually became this thread, there were sources for Windows 8 users for the same kind of process. I’ll just create a Windows 8 specific thread when that time comes

[ZakG]

Go Spartacus!

‘Windows 9 - The OS Microsoft WON’T Tell You About!’:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzSSidHU54g

Could be an option?

[Heliocentric]

Is it April first already?

[TechnicalBen]

Nah. Just a silly title/theme for a serious OS option that is of cause restricted in licencing availability.

In the past there was little point in putting Windows CE on anything. But in the future things like Windows on ARM, means those “secret/alternative/embedded” options not available to most of us might start to be more attractive (if you can stomach it being Microsoft).

PS, though “XP for Submarines” and “XP for Cash machines” (that ones I’ve seen but never “used” :P) are less of a consumer need.

[ZakG]

Nah. Just a silly title/theme for a serious OS option that is of cause restricted in licencing availability.

I think to me it shows that MS decided exactly what they wanted to do in terms of data-gathering user details and ‘gimping’ normal end users experience of the OS. Why not leave us all the choice of Embedded 8.1 Industry Pro as a purchase choice? Or even better yet leave the ‘free’ ‘dumb consumer’ Windows 10 as it is, but offer a clearly better feature set for a price based around the details we have of this 8.1 Industry Pro option.

I certainly would have been happy staying with MS, and paying them, for a Windows 10 version that was based on the design philosophy of this Industry Pro version. It shows they can indeed make that kind of OS.

[TechnicalBen]

“All the money or none at all”.
They cannot risk giving even one person the option to be different, as it would eat into their margin.

Yes all the settings to turn things off are around in Windows 10 and hidden away. But that is so everyone will go to the one OS, and not leave for another. It’s a case of not gripping too tight as to lose some customers, but not giving a real alternative option.

For example see the lack of non-smart TVs with actually good screens etc. If you want a top of the range, you have to have fcebook/twitter installed in the TV. Why? It’s where they get their extra pennies off the consumers/partners in the business.

PS, oh and while for user uses “data/wifi/gps is turned off” is what I and many do, there are examples of it not being the case. The OS can and does often re-enable to track/reset/calibrate/update it’s self… and that is what we know of.

It’s not a “paranoid” kind of thing. It’s like living in one of those countries where you *knowr *factually that plain cloths police/secret secret services go to every public gathering/super market. It’s not paranoia anymore when you live in a police state ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance )… you just get used to it.