The RPS Feedback Thread

Shadoko 2019-06-14 16:43:52 UTC #1441

You do realise you sound like a bot that’s been specifically programmed to cram as many angry gamer buzzwords as possible in one comment, right ?

Sarfrin 2019-06-14 17:13:52 UTC #1442

Social justice is just other people who are different from you being treated with the same respect and dignity as you. That seems like a good thing to me.

BillButNotBen 2019-06-15 04:22:03 UTC #1443

Oh. Sounds like an interesting article. I’ll check it out.
Thanks.

suckitpunk 2019-06-15 14:55:52 UTC #1444

Good job on totally missing the point of its a video game its not the congress its not the place to push political agenda in what world you live for real nobody can enjoy anything without a group of ppl coming in and just shitting everywhere on something that you play for fun in your free time dont you all have a life bitch please you always there complaining about every detail you fight for equality and shit but you are all the first to have a fixation on race and gender you dont go for hey this guy have a talent and can voice act nah its always there is not enought women and we want more black ppl wtf is that so the neonazi recycle themself by acting like they protect the race and gender but your all just there racial profiling and gender profiling every fkg day good job to you all for keeping rascism alive

suckitpunk 2019-06-15 15:19:53 UTC #1445

My point was pretty clear dude you dont go into something novel based and change everything to fit your perfect little word

suckitpunk 2019-06-15 15:23:34 UTC #1446

Did you even fkg read

Sarfrin 2019-06-15 15:49:29 UTC #1447

Better than you write. You’re just regurgitating tedious GG nonsense arguments that have been comprehensively rebutted thousands of times before. No one’s interested here. Toddle off back to 4chan son.

Shadoko 2019-06-15 16:51:41 UTC #1448

I read Neuromancer twice, yes, and I am happy to report that 1) everyone seems to have forgotten the second half of the book, that is woke as fuck and actually not “cool cyborgs in the neon rain” at all and that 2) Cyberpunk 2077 is based on the tabletop game Cyperbunk 2020, which is political as hell, features a lot of stuff related to race and gender and even if kind of bloated and over the top is much more interesting to read than your dishonest gibberish. And, interestingly enough, in what we’ve seen of the game CDPR changed several things to make the game look more mainstream and less weird so by your metric they are the ones “not even reading the book”.

And also what Sarfrin said.

SinVega 2019-06-16 00:47:36 UTC #1449

Please, don’t waste any more energy on this billionth face of the same tedious chanboy we’ve all heard from a thousand times before. Just flag it and do something fun instead.

Shadoko 2019-06-16 07:10:26 UTC #1450

You’re right. Don’t feed the troll. Apologies.

suckitpunk 2019-06-16 20:20:12 UTC #1451

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seams412 2019-06-18 21:06:15 UTC #1452

About Cyberpunk 2077 article. I would give more weight to these criticisms of transphobia and misrepresentation of marginalized cultures at CDPR if they were coming from people within those marginalized groups. All too often its a cis white male game journo screaming at their audience about how awful something is, rather than giving a member of the marginalized group a chance to share their opinion. If these sites don’t have a member on staff who can speak on behalf of a group, why aren’t these game journos at least interviewing members of said group and printing direct quotes? I’d rather hear that, than read hundreds of words about how bad something is, when the writer couldn’t take a minute to get an opinion from an actual member of the group that is apparently so offended. I myself am a minority. I applaud CDPR for adapting a game created by a black man, I applaud CDPR for putting images of trans and other marginalized groups in their game at all. So far, Night City appears to be one of the most diverse in-game environments ever created. Why is that coming from a Polish studio rather than one from a more diverse country, city, or state? How long have we gone in this industry without any representation of these groups what so ever? Lastly, with the recent and ongoing strings of unsolved murders of trans women in cities like Dallas, and D.C., why is the focus on a game dev, when there are far more serious issues facing these groups? It all rings hollow to me. I also find it interesting that RPS hasn’t printed Pondsmith’s rebuttal. Whats up with that?

SinVega 2019-06-18 23:07:46 UTC #1453

How would you feel if a white trans person posted to “applaud” a dev for putting in an exaggerated image of a black man taken directly from hand drawn, racist fetish porn, because hey at least it’s something? Shitty, pornographic representation is not better than nothing. It’s often used to actively objectify and harass and stereotype and exploit people, be they black or women or trans or any combination of the above. A gigantic project involving hundreds, possibly thousands of staff isn’t immune to criticism or incapable of fucking up just because one person near the top is black.

You’re also asking some of the people most targeted by abuse, especially in this industry, to put their neck out in front of a studio with a particularly huge, often fetid following (the game doesn’t even exist for another year and it’s already the biggest selling game in the anglosphere this week), in return for very little, at a time when frankly trans people have enough to deal with. It’s not like we didn’t have en entire organised harassment campaign drive countless people out of the industry and some out of their own homes simply for daring to exist in or around games. And none of it has gone away, unless you count the parts of it that have moved on to open fascism.

RPS’s work on this mess has been welcomed by a LOT of trans people, and you can be sure that they asked around beforehand.

alms 2019-06-19 01:09:49 UTC #1454

You should try sea lioning, then.

Oh, wait.

TheDreamlord 2019-06-19 02:18:07 UTC #1455

The whole article is just RPS being its current incarnation and stirring controversy up for monetization, nothing more than that.

Of course there will be plenty of people that get offended with everything, so no surprise there.

seams412 2019-06-19 03:09:29 UTC #1456

I’d be fine with it because context matters. Its a cyberpunk future where anyone with the means and desire can alter their body to their hearts content. In addition, the exaggerated depiction in question apparently applies to advertisements throughout the game, regardless of gender. Lastly, the creator himself has rejected these claims.

Those who are offended have the right to voice their opinion. I would rather hear those opinions than one that comes from a place of privilege, asserting that those from marginalized groups are or should be offended.

The assertions made appear to come from the author’s own discomfort with the depictions, rather than from voices inside those marginalized cultures.

BillButNotBen 2019-06-19 05:10:00 UTC #1457

The article seems to be someone writing about something that they wanted to write about.
I’m not quite sure when we got to the point where every article has to be definitively correct or wrong on an issue, or has to either persuade you that it’s right or it must be wrong.
Why can’t it just be someone expressing their thought about a matter?

Why can’t people just read it and think ‘Hmm. that raises a few interesting points… interesting.’ whether or not they end up agreeing with it?

Why do people always have to get offended about people being offended and then claim that the people being offended are somehow oversensitive for being offended but that they aren’t oversensitive for being offended?

Why do people always claim RPS is stirring up controversy for monetization when there’s zero evidence of that ever being the case and what they usually mean is ‘i disagree’?

As far as I can tell he was responding to a Redditor’s paraphrasing of a comment in the comments on the article (by our very own LexW, if i’m not mistaken! * waves * ).

There’s no indication of whether he even read the original comment, let alone the article. (infact i think LexW’s comment was on another article about Cp2077 by Matt).
He does seem to confirm that LexW was right about the point on the Voodoo Boys.

TheDreamlord 2019-06-19 05:31:17 UTC #1458

Because, in my view, these points are not interesting. Neither valid. They are nit picks that stir controversy.

But of course this is just my view, others are perfectly entitled to disagree with me and find these articles interesting and valid.

Shadoko 2019-06-19 07:44:00 UTC #1459

Because assuming people do something purely for money and not because perhaps, they might actually care (whether or not they’re right, it’s another issue) is a very effective tactic to dismiss anything you don’t like.

As it stands, I engaged in rather bitter debates on Reddit about representation as whole in CP77 and I don’t feel like engaging in that again. One thing is certain though : whenever an article has something to do with representation in games as a whole, whether it’s about women, transgender people, non-white people, etc…it attracts much more comments than other articles. I am thoroughly convinced it says much more about the gaming community (if I may call it as such) rather than RPS itself.

In any case, feeling that RPS was not legitimate in their criticism, that there are worse issues or that they have totally misunderstood what was shown is a valid opinion anyone is entitled to have. Assuming that RPS only does that out of greed is incredibly dismissive of any diverging opinion that might exist.

And interestingly enough, an environment where in the last E3 gameplay presentation most of the enemies where black people with a stereotypical voodoo shtick and the only transgender people we’ve seen were on a nigh pornographic, fetishized ad. And whose box art features a young white guy looking badass and holding a gun. So yeah, diverse maybe, but not really showing it so far, eh ?

Also, here is the exact same commentary, but written by an actual trans person, if we’re going the “but what about representation at RPS” route.

EDIT : I should add that I have faith that CDPR will produce something great, even now. I’m just not on board with what they’ve shown so far.

TheDreamlord 2019-06-19 08:18:24 UTC #1460

So are you suggesting that according to you, other people’s creative fictional dystopia should conform to your comfortable ideas of dystopia? Or am I misunderstanding you?