I would say they’re a surprising mix. The Quark cross-dressing one is terrible and dated but it was pretty bad at the time. Whereas “The Magnificent Ferengi” (which I just in typing that realized was a play on “The Magnificent Seven”, sheesh, that should have been more obvious) is pretty fantastic and contains some really super black humour involving a corpse.
Yup. Even when they get their own episodes, they’re usually romantic in nature and typically not very impressive. Plus Bev has the second-worst episode in TNG, the one about the Irish Space Ghost (it’s only second-worst because episode 2 of TNG is straight-up hardcore racism). I did appreciate that in the “Troi gets mind-raped” episode (did this episode have to exist? sigh) they did outright call it rape - one of the elders of the telepathic species involved say they thought they’d got rid of “this form of rape” centuries ago, which I thought was pretty ballsy for a prime-time TV show in like 1991. Still that episode damn really guys?
I have less nostalgia for TNG, because I was perpetually slightly annoyed with it (my nostalgia for DS9 is stronger), because as a teenager, I basically didn’t like any of the characters:
- Picard - Too straight-laced.
- Riker - Someone’s sleazy dad.
- Data - SNORE.
- Troi - Hot but annoying.
- Bev Crusher - Just annoying.
- Worf - Ugh, what an ass.
- Geordi - Incompetent try-hard.
- Wesley - Fuck that kid.
- O’Brien - I was too fascinated that Colm Meaney was in Star Trek to have an opinion on O’Brien.
- Guinan - I always kind of liked her but some of the episodes where she was being mysterious really hacked me off.
- Lwaxana Troi - Someone’s sleazy grandma (how she never got together with Riker is a near-miracle).
- Ro Laren - Ok, she was and still is awesome, but she’s in like six episodes and late on.
To be clear, I was an idiot, but it did prevent real blinding nostalgia. I later came to really like the characters but it wasn’t until S5-7 that I warmed to a lot of them, particularly Riker.
I am fascinated by the way many episodes that bored me as a kid are interesting (the most shocking one being “Cost of Living” (a Lwaxana one! Involving a clown!) and others which I remember being very exciting were relatively “meh” - “Time’s Arrow” 1/2 - where Data gets sent back to San Fran in the 1800s and there are crazy dimension-phased aliens with a magic snake (fuck you Data for calling it an “Ophidian” - it’s a snake!) and Mark Twain and all sorts of crazy business, but all that kind of suspense/physical drama seems outdated in a way the moral drama of “The Drumhead” totally does not. Time’s Arrow was interesting though in that it pre-figured some timey-wimey stuff we much later saw in nuWho. Another one which really changed was the episode where Wesley, now in Starfleet Academy, is involved in an attempted cover-up of a stupid accident, and at the time I was like “HAH, suck it Wesley you wanker!” whereas now I was like “Damn, that sucks, I guess I can see how you got into that very stupid situation”.
Yes but it was an okay STAR TREK film which made it pretty incredible given all the other Star Trek movies at the time!
I think you’re being really generous. I’d say it was more like 1-2 good, and 6-8 bad to extremely bad, most seasons. I mean, sure, few of them are “Bad Ferengi Episodes” bad, but they’re hard-to-watch.
Understatement of the year. Going back to VOY I still find most of the characters at least mildly irritating. Paris just makes me want to punch face (except for the random episodes where he seems totally okay), as does that shit Chakotay, and Neelix, god don’t even get me started again we’ve been over that kiddie-fiddler war-criminal. Seven of Nine and Emergency Medical Hologram, the two least-human characters were the least irritating, and both basically likable. I guess Tuvok was bearable as well.
Yup. I identified this at the time and got into a lot of arguments about it with Trekkies on the internet, because they often wanted to pretend it wasn’t the case, but her character was written completely differently week-to-week in a way no Trek captain has had to deal with before or since. One week she’d be stern and matronly, the next she’d be ebullient and backslapping, the next she’d be all about chilling out and drinking coffee with her friends and offering careful advice, it was just bizarre. I can only presume the writers were having some kind of secret war over her personality.
I was going to say “Let’s not say things we don’t mean!” but then I thought about it and, well, yes, there are zero likable characters on ENT, where there were maybe three-four, depending if you count Janeway, in VOY. So that is worse. Everyone in ENT was either totally forgettable (was Travis really even in the show?) or pretty bloody annoying (including Archer), and the blatant (and later acknowledged) re-use of unused VOY scripts was was imo unforgivable.